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- 'Few beings in the galaxy have seen as many battlefields as Shae Vizla. Her list of victories surpasses even Mandalore himself, and the personal fortune she's amassed after decades as a top-tier mercenary is staggering. The quintessential Mandalorian, Vizla is ruthless in battle, gregarious in close company, and utterly dedicated to perfecting her skills in combat.
Despite (or perhaps because of) her years of success, Vizla has taken fewer and fewer contracts in recent years. Her clan has largely withdrawn from galactic events, sparking rumors that Vizla has had a falling-out with her allies in the Empire, Mandalore, or some other powerful client; others believe she's simply run out of worthy challenges. Whatever the cause, it's questionable whether such a renowned gun-for-hire can remain on the sidelines for long.' - ―In-game Codex (Persons of Note)[src]
Mandalore the Avenger, born as Shae Vizla, is a female HumanMandalorian and Bounty Hunter. She was known for her assistance during the Sacking of Coruscant during the end of the Great Galactic War, in which she aided the Sith Empire by destroying Coruscant's planetary shield and attacking the Jedi Temple. During Zakuul invasion of the galaxy, Mandalore the Vindicated was slain in the fighting against Zakuul. Shae Vizla would be the one to take the title of Mandalore, becoming Mandalore the Avenger.
Biography
Vizla was often employed by the Empire to perform jobs against the Republic but developed a fierce hatred for the Jedi Order when her brother was killed by a Jedi Knight. She took jobs that would specifically target the Republic, including the Empire's initial assault on the planet Alderaan. Rumor has it that she was responsible for Darth Malgus surviving Satele Shan's attack near the end of the battle.
Sacking of Coruscant
Vizla agreed to help the Empire subdue the planet Coruscant to help secure leverage over the Republic during peace summits on Alderaan. She shut down the planetary shield and also assisted in attacking the Republic forces that attempted to drive the Sith out of the Jedi Temple during the Sacking of Coruscant.
Galactic War
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After the end of the Cold War, Vizla retreated from dealing with the Empire and disappeared from the galaxy. Under the nickname 'Torch,' she traveled to Rishi and established a full Mandalorian clan. She and the rest of her clan had dealings with the Nova Blade pirate gang, and Torch soon learned that the Blades were working for the Order of Revan. How to access bios settings without restarting. She then stopped all deals with the Blades and moved her clan to a distant island on Rishi in the hope of severing contact with the Order.
She was later tracked and confronted by an operative who was tracking Revan and the Nova Blades who asked for information on the Order's activities. Torch revealed her true identity to the informant, and after a duel revealed the Order's activities. She, along with members of her clan, assisted the Republic and Empire's battle against Revan on Yavin 4. Star wars the force unleashed 2 free download.
Revolt against the Eternal Empire
- 'When Mandalore the Vindicated fell in battle against the Eternal Empire, Shae Vizla reluctantly assumed leadership over the clans. She had sizable shoes to fill: the fallen Mandalore was popular, respected, even revered. As a lone hunter, Shae had very little experience leading people, much less an entire culture.
With the clans fractured and beaten down after years of war with Zakuul, Shae had to adapt quickly to bring her people together. She proved to be just the leader the Mandalorians needed. Her introductory battle as Mandalore the Avenger was the clans' first victory in six months.
With her impressive track record and ruthless combat tactics, Shae is perfectly suited for wartime leadership. Yet some believe the battle-hardened Mand'alor isn't fit to lead long-term, and the end of the war may see more than one challenge for her title.' - ―Shae Vizla: Mandalore the Avenger Codex[src]
When the Alliance was in need of an army to attack the Zakuul Droid factory on Darvannis, Theron Shan had to offer Shae Vizla a chance to hit back at the Eternal Empire, to which Shae agreed. About dozen Mandalorian clans joined her to Darvannis, her most trusted advisers would join her for the battle to come.
Appearances
- Deceived (cinematic) (First appearance)
- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Galactic Strongholds (Picture Only)
- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire (First identified as Mandalore the Avenger)
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External Links
Shae Vizla on Wookieepedia
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Preceded by Mandalore the Vindicated | Shae Vizla | Succeeded by Incumbent |
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- Acceptable Targets: Animal Rights advocates, who are always portrayed as Too Dumb to LiveAnimal Wrongs Groups, even when they're trying to save animals from legitimately awful fates, like babies being forced into pit fighting or the last male and female of an endangered species becoming a Hutt's dinner. Granted, helping the animals earns Light Side points while hurting them gains Dark Side, but still.. It borders on What Measure Is a Non-Human? (Or non-sapient humanoid.)
- Alternative Character Interpretation:
- Instead of the typical Black and White Morality that Star Wars is known for, light-sided characters can be interpreted in a way that's a lot less flattering:
- Is the Light Side Sith Warrior a good, noble warrior fighting for peace? Or are they a cold, calculating Chessmaster, befriending powerful opponents in order to advance their own position within the Empire? Characters accuse you of both, and there's no real evidence to support either one over the other.
- A light side Sith Inquisitor. Are they people who suffered greatly as slaves, and now help others to avoid the pain the Inquisitor felt? Or are they just securing allies or keeping those around them weak to ensure an unstoppable rise to power?
- Can one even consider the light side Inquisitor a Sith? A good case could be made that the Inquisitor is simply playing their game for now, all the while secretly working to advance themselves into a position where they can better undermine the Sith from within. Indeed, a lot of their dialogue makes it clear they don't particularly care for their fellow Sith or the Empire, but do hold some modicum of respect for the Republic and the Jedi. The Inquisitor's conversations with Ashara often discuss reforming the Empire into a more peaceful organisation and forging an alliance with Grey Jedi, founding a movement that unites both Sith and Jedi teachings.
- A light-sided Republic trooper can come across as being outright fanatical, with him/her shouting slogans such as 'For the Republic!' and 'I live to serve the Republic!' at every opportunity. It doesn't help that one of your companions is a droid who is portrayed exactly like this for humorous effect.
- The Dark-side Republic trooper: A Jerkass/sadist who happens to be loyal to the Republic for whatever reason, a Well-Intentioned Extremist who views their Shoot the Dog moments as a Necessary Evil to save more lives in the long run, or a shell-shockedformer child soldier who's too damaged to do things any other way and/or just wants the war to end as quickly as possible?
- A light-sided smuggler can be interpreted as a Wide-Eyed Idealist that should have gone broke and starved to death a long time ago. Despite the title, he/she may rarely engage in any actual smuggling, and actively turn down opportunities to make money by refusing to deal in drugs or participate in actions that will harm the Republic's war effort. One of your companions, Risha, will outright call you on this, accusing you of being a thief that doesn't steal, and ask if you actually have any plans about what you are doing with your life. Alternatively, the light-sided Smuggler could be described as a privateer (think pirates on government payroll), and while pirates typically ended their careers at the end of a rope, a privateer could end his with a big plantation and a title of minor nobility! The Smuggler actually does carry a privateers license from act 2 onwards. Or they could be just an independent merchant trying to run as honest a business as they can under the circumstances.
- A light-sided Bounty Hunter could just not care for the Empire at all and is only involved with them because it's good for business. A light-sided Hunter (especially an alien Hunter, that gets treated like garbage from the Imps anyway) also can be played as cheerfully sabotaging the Imperials right and left and being paid to do it. The fact you can take the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic upon a deal and effectively switch sides helps.
- A light-sided Jedi Consular can come across as sheltered and self-righteous, not to mention outright detached from reality, given their preaching Jedi dogma and aphorisms of peace and tolerance to starving refugees that just witnessed the killing of their families or desperate soldiers that are pinned down by heavy enemy fire.
- A dark-sided Consular (especially the Shadow sub-class) can come off as a merciless Knight Templar who is the Order's executioner and 'cleanup crew', or a Chessmaster who subtly makes the galactic situation worse in order to make them dependant on the Consular, allowing the Consular to influence the situation to their personal benefit ala Darth Traya.
- Darth Ravage and Darth Marr during the end of the Sith Inquisitor ending. When the Inquisitor takes Thanaton's place on the Dark Council, Darth Ravage will object, citing a Lord cannot be on the Dark Council, while Darth Marr feels the Inquisitor has earned their place and promotes them on the spot. However, both Ravage's statement and Marr's reaction to said statement are a lot more demeaning and angrier, respectively, if the Inquisitor is female, implying that Ravage is looking down on the Inquisitor because she is a woman, while Marr knows this and is angrily defending her.
- Instead of the typical Black and White Morality that Star Wars is known for, light-sided characters can be interpreted in a way that's a lot less flattering:
- Alt-itis: Exploited Trope here. The characters, companions, and class stories overlap with each other to such an extent that seeing the whole story would take playing every class (or playing with a party that's got one of each per faction) to see where they all fit. Each of the eight basic classes has two subclasses and three talent trees to spec into. Furthermore, some quests, like obtaining HK-51 or the Bounty Broker's event, has parts locked to either Imperial or Republic. You will need at least one character per faction to take advantage of these. Further exploited with the use of the Legacy system, which accumulates bonuses across alts and unlocks certain perks and abilities.
- The recent Dark/Light event requires players to create new characters and level them to 65 in order for them to participate and receive rewards.
- That deserves some clarification. The event is divided into six levels, and you can get all the way to the fourth level with only one new character. That character will earn in-game rewards at Level 25, at Level 50, and after completing specific content for Level 55 and Level 60 (namely the expansions Shadow of Revan and Knights of the Fallen Empire), along with other 'objectives' that become available between Level 10 and Level 16. If you want to complete every level (required for some, not all, of the account-wide rewards promised at the end of the event), then you have to make 8 characters (one of each class) and get them all to 50, and take two of those (one Imperial, one Republic) and get them to 65. It's still an example of exploited Alt-itis at its finest, and the game developers are actively telling players to delete each new character once it's 'done.'
- The recent Dark/Light event requires players to create new characters and level them to 65 in order for them to participate and receive rewards.
- Anti-Climax: The dark side ending for the Bounty Hunter can be this on account of Supreme Chancellor Janarus being a Non-Action Guy. The ending simply involves shooting him dead, ending the story with no final boss, which can be very unsatisfying for some people. Averted in the light side ending, which has the player face Darth Tormen, who actually can fight, as a more proper Final Boss.
- Anti-Climax Boss:
- The Moff in Republic Quesh chain: not only isn't he Elite like most bosses are, you also get the help of a squad of soldiers. Turns out he isn't the final boss of the series though..
- Darth Baras at the end of the Sith Warrior questline isn't a complete pushover, being a normal boss, but the battle with him takes place almost immediately after defeating his much more powerful Dragon.
- Arcann at the end of Knights of the Fallen Empire. He'd be a beast if the game didn't give you a massive boost to healing and a shield that blocks all his attacks while painting arrows on the ground showing you which way to face to do so, especially since you fight him without a companion. The sub-bosses leading up to the fight are generally tougher with less forgiving mechanics
- Thanks to the addition of planet level caps a few years in, any boss battle on a starting planet is a complete joke. This includes the final bosses of both Sith stories. (It's not the the planet NPCs are capped while the PCs are, but stats have different effects at lower or higher levels. So if you're lagging a bit behind in gear on Corellia as a Sith Warrior or Inquisitor, when you go back to Korriban for the grand finale, you will suddenly find yourself literally as powerful as it is possible for your character to be at level 12 and facing an enemy not balanced for a maxed-out player character to be facing them. In addition, the Presence bonus to companions has a much more powerful effect at lower levels.)
- Darth Malora, in Jedi Under Siege, is something of a pushover, especially in comparison to Master Gnost-Dural for the other side.
- Arc Fatigue: As expected of a MMORPG. The protagonists are no closer to beating the Sith Emperor than they were at the beginning of the story; any progress they make is undone by the time the next expansion comes around. It goes past the point of absurdity in Knight of the Fallen Empire, where the Sith Emperor reveals the entire war was just a massive gambit to keep both sides distracted and then goes to obliterate them with his actual empire. Everything the players have done up to that point amounts to nothing and now they have to start over. Really, BioWare?
- Author's Saving Throw:
- Revan's Sudden Sequel Death Syndrome was poorly received by the fanbase during the beta, so Bioware changed his death sequence so there was No Body Left Behind, leaving an opening for Revan to come back. Revan returns alive and well at the end of the 'Forged Alliances' story arc. 'Shadow of Revan' takes it further by revealing that the Revan that appeared in SWTOR was actually Revan's dark side possessing his body.
- 'Shadow of Revan' seemed to address the complaints about no class storyline past level 50 by adding a single class-specific mission. Not that much, but it's a welcome change.
- Fallen Empire was extremely well-received for its plot, return to classic Bioware storytelling, updated graphics, and especially the gameplay and companion changes—it completely revamped the companion system so that the player can use any companion in any role, unlocks approval faster, and doesn't have to keep them geared. Before this change it was basically mandatory to always have either the healer or the tank with you when playing solo, meaning all but the most dedicated players never saw the bulk of the companion stories.
- Ironically, Eternal Throne has been viewed as this regarding the Fallen Empire story. After several months of poorly received monthly story segments, Eternal Throne quickly wrapped up as many plot threads as it could, ignored others, finished off Zakuul as a galaxy-dominating power and pushed things back as close to the pre-Fallen Empire galaxy as possible.. and finally killed off the Emperor. Probably.
- Awesome Bosses:
- Grand Moff Kilran, the final boss of the Maelstrom Prison Flashpoint. Slowed to a crawl of your normal movement speed, you and your team must narrowly avoid the boss' incredibly damaging sniper rifle using pillars as cover, slowly making your way to attack range before you can finally beat the hell out of him. And after the events of the Esseles' Flashpoint, getting revenge on him is incredibly satisfying.
- 'Torch' gets this in the Blood Hunt flashpoint. She's remarkably friendly to the party, but she is a Mando, and Mandos like a good scrap. She doesn't fail to deliver on her end, setting up rooms full of fire, shooting at the players while levitating using a jetpack, and encouraging them to keep fighting in both Basic and Mando'a. At the end of it, she is still very polite and even answers a death threat with 'Aw, I was just starting to like you.' so it made a lot of players delighted seeing her show up again - this time as an ally. As of Fallen Empire she's now not only an ally, but the new Mandalore.
- Mentor from Directive 7. It's a stationary boss, yet it summons adds and chases the players around with a claw. It's chaotic, yet not so chaotic enough that a group of players can't figure out what's going on.
- Darth Malgus from False Emperor. One of his mechanics is that he will try to make a player face their destiny.. by which he will duel them one on one and keep the other players from intervening. It truly feels epic.. when he doesn't pick a player who is lagging or is panicking from not knowing what to do. Or worse, he chooses to duel the healer.
- Soa from the Eternity Vault operation is a very unique fight. It involves the floor collapsing and players have to jump to different floating platforms and take fall damage. Some players will end up getting trapped inside a mind prison and other teammates have to destroy the prison. During the final phase; the tanks need to lure him to an AOE in which he will get hit by his own debris and become temporarily disabled. What makes this fight memorable is listening to his dialogue while the track 'Battle of the Heroes' from Revenge of the Sith plays.
- Arcann from Chapter 16 of KOTFE. While the first phase involves moving out of his telegraphed attacks, it gets really interesting during the second phase. You grab a shield and you have to position it around glowing orbs that can damage you if you don't have your shield facing them. You also have to avoid his AOEs and if your shield absorbs enough energy, you can strike him with your shield. During the final phase, you slowly charge towards him as he shoots lightning at you and once you reach him you deliver a Shield Bash that causes a massive explosion. Simply epic.
- Awesome Ego: The Smuggler. A lot of their conversation choices are all about how their the best at just about anything, and they have the skills to back it up.
- Base-Breaking Character:
- Some hate Vette while some love seeing Mission all grown up and kicking ass.
- Some unfavourably compare Corso to Carth and Atton, while some find his simple farmboy nature endearing. Some also find his Dogged Nice Guy attitude and insistence on treating the female Smuggler like a lady condescending and insulting, while others think it's chivalrous and sweet.
- Kaliyo from the Agent story. Either you hate her for being a lying, backstabbing terrorist, or you love her for being a hilarious walking pile of snark who's at least honest about being a liar. There's no middle ground.
- Quinn from the Warrior story, even more than Kaliyo. Lots of fans liked him, at first, finding his competence and cold professionalism to be refreshing, especially compared to some of the rest of the crew..and then he turns out to have been The Mole for Baras, betraying the Warrior even if romanced. That broke his fanbase right in half, with one side upset but willing to forgive and the other screaming for the option to kill him. Which you can finally do in Eternal Throne..
- Nadia Grell from the Consular storyline, or more specifically, her romance. Not only does the relationship move quite fast, but Nadia looks up to him with admiration and is freshly mourning her dead father when it starts. Some think the relationship is cute and full of heartwarming moments, others think it's gross and full of disturbing implications.
- Tharan Cedrax, also from the Consular storyline. You either love how completely unimpressed he is with Force-based theatrics, his emphasis on rational decisions, and his Deadpan Snarker sense of humor or you hate his guts and wonder why the hell he signed on with a Jedi if he dislikes the Force that much.
- Thana Vesh from the Taris planetary questline. Her bitingly sarcastic, Alpha Bitch nature and the Belligerent Sexual Tension feel of her temporary 'romance' appeals to some of the player base; the other half, however, hates her for being Stupid Evil and insufferably full of herself, and greatly enjoys having the option to kill her at the end of the questline.
- Knights of the Fallen Empire companion Koth Vortena is easily the most divisive of all the new companions in the expansion. When the expansion was initially released, the biggest divide was his hero worship towards Valkorion, who the player base knows as the Sith Emperor. Depending on who you ask, Koth's reaction was either an indication of him being a horrible person who only cares about Zakuul and nothing for the rest of the galaxy, or a completely reasonable reaction from someone who was raised in an Empire towards which Valkorion has put up a front of nothing short of absolute benevolence while otherwise being generally good-natured. But that was nothing compared to the storm that came in the later days. Specifically, depending on the player's choices, Koth ends up leaving the Alliance after Chapter X and stealing the Gravestone in Chapter XVI! This has split the fanbase clean in half between those who demand his head on a pike and condemn players who defend him, vs those who are willing to sympathize with him and accuse his haters of being unwilling to acceptconsequences for their actions. Koth only leaves if the player decided to set off explosives around the Spire, not just disabling but destroying a lot of critical infrastructure and killing a lot of innocent Zakuulans in the process. Otherwise, he sticks with the Alliance.
- When it comes to non-Sith being galaxy-threatening antagonists, the entire Eternal Empire is pretty divisive. Points include them being a Giant Space Flea from Nowhere, curbstomping the Republic and Sith Empire with no build-up, and being perceived to be a one-dimensional Card-Carrying Villain faction (to the point of everyone in power behaving as Sith in all but name) whose people are drinking so much of Valkorion's kool-aid that they revere him as a Good King, regardless of his actual nature as an Omnicidal Maniac (ignoring the fact that most of Zakuul's people had no idea about this and someone having multiple bodies is improbable even by Force standards). To give an example, in Chapter 15, the option to save Republic Senator Tai Cordan, the Imperial Admiral Ranken or a Zakuulan celebrity that's decided to rebel against the Eternal Empire, almost everyone lets Melita Tal die (although this may be for simple pragmatism more than anything, the other two being more politically useful). Others like them for providing more opportunity for a large-scale Enemy Mine with the Republic and Sith Empire, giving more depth to the once-flat Sith Emperor and some find the rest of the Empire somewhat sympathetic due to the royal siblings having been abused to the point of committing atrocities to gain Valkorion's affection (or driven insane in Vaylin's case) and the rest of Zakuul being misinformed about Valkorion's true nature due to them being relatively isolated from the galaxy at large and thus creating a cult of personality (and the people can be turned against the Empire later).
- Best Level Ever:
- The Black Talon and The Esseles are liked for how much happens in them. They truly overshadow most of the other flashpoints, which to some players feel like recycled WoW dungeons in comparison due to the relative lack of plot that happens within them. Though some think they go on too much due to all the conversations, whereas just about all of the other flashpoints get right to the plot and don't make you sit through several conversations just to get to the first battle. (Though this has in turn made both flashpoints popular for grinding Social points.)
- Kaon Under Siege is one of the most unique flashpoints out there. It has a very dark and suspenseful atmosphere, Rakghouls could appear anywhere. The first boss involves piloting a turret and surviving waves of infected zombies. The flashpoint also pays homage to the Left For Dead franchise by having enemies similar to the Hunter, Smoker, Boomer, and Charger.
- Breather Level: Quesh, though not as much a literal breather level due to its atmosphere. The prior planets had a tendency to last for a lot longer, with players sometimes getting frustrated when another quest line shows up after the one they just completed. Quesh meanwhile is practically an interlude, where it isn't uncommon for players to finish in not even half the time it takes for a normal planet. Subsequently, Quesh is the least populated planet in the game, giving players frustrated with annoying chat messages some peace and quiet. It's not uncommon for there to be as little as three people on Quesh. Total. And since the planet contains one of the few datacrons requiring two people to get them, it's not unheard of for Empire and Republic players teaming up to get it. Consulars are the exception, though, as their first class quest on the planet throws them against elite mobs that would usually be reserved for Heroic Quests. While there are a number of consoles in the area that are supposed to help the player by bestowing a temporary defense-boost, the mission can still easily become a wall for Seers inexperienced in kiting and mob-control. Bringing a friend along is a good idea.
- Broken Base:
- The very existence of this game is one. Some KOTOR fans object to the very idea of a KOTOR MMO for a variety of reasons, be it the need for a subscription or disliking MMOs in general. Within the community, the base is broken still further, over a variety of issues including the inclusion of the traditional Tank-DPS-Healer trinity, the decision to reduce space combat to a single-player mini-game, or complaints of the fact that only Humanoid Aliens are available for play. It wouldn't be an MMORPG without people complaining about PvP, game balance, and all the traditional complaints. Even when the game wasn't out yet.
- The Jedi Consular class. Some praise the story for offering a unique perspective on the Jedi lifestyle, showing the audience just why the Jedi were considered diplomats and ambassadors alongside warriors and protectors, while some consider the class to be the worst one in the game, with a bland storyline that just doesn't compare to the other 7 classes.
- Other minor complaints include the lack of a day/night cycle and the lack of swimming.
- There was also quite a bit of moaning that the early access would be five days at most. This irked a few fans. Though this has since been put up to a full week beforehand, based on when you filed the preorder confirmation.
- One that's taken root in the forums is the fact that, prior to patch 1.01, doing a particular dark side [Flirt] option with Kira for the Jedi Knight would lock up all dialogue for her. Cue massive amounts of hate and cries of it being an Obvious Beta on the Jedi Knight forums.
- A supposed bug in the website made the 'unsubscribe' button vanish which did not help BioWare's popularity, and the game has been given the derisive nickname of 'TORtanic' due to the increasing effects of backlash by disgruntled former fans.
- And then there was the whole 'Gay Planet' controversy, where BioWare finally decided to add same-sex romance into the game, but only on a single planet that could only be accessed as paid DLC (Makeb). Though an accurate description (same-sex flirts were available in new quests on old planets, but nothing comes of it, unlike with the options on the new planet) numerous people picked up on it as being that planet's particular hat. The fact that gay relationships were restricted to this one planet also stirred controversy over the fact that it implied that gay relationships were meant to be segregated from the rest of the galaxy, which did not sit well with many people.
- The game itself was once either a great Star Wars MMO in its own right or the worst MMO ever because of EA and the fact that it tried to kill WoW by being WoW Recycled INSPACE. Now that time has passed and cooler heads have prevailed, it is generally agreed that, for the most part, the game is not a bad MMO per se, and that the storytelling, production values, companion 'pets', and the class system are of high quality and give the game a very original charm (though they are certainly not without their critics), but that the gameplay is still very conservative (read: derivative of World of Warcraft) and doesn't truly break new ground.
- While most of the storyline has been well-recieved by the fanbase, a major controversy concerns The Foundry flashpoint, which features Revan, freed in the Republic Maelstrom Prison Flashpoint, planning to commit genocide on everyone in the galaxy with Sith heritage, including over 97% of the Sith Empire's people. Quite a few enjoyed the story and the cameo from the always-popular HK-47, and feel that Revan being tainted by the Sith Emperor's mind after centuries of draining was an adequate explanation for his actions. Others hate the idea of a canonically light side Player Character turning into a Rogue Protagonist; accusations of Sudden Sequel Heel Syndrome are frequent. Another common complaint involves him being defeated by a strike team consisting of only four people, which is generally met by the argument that he's been tortured and imprisoned for 300 years and the strike team was among the best of the Empire. There's also dissatisfaction with the explanation that the Revan post-Foundry was a Split Personality.
- Come KOTFE, should the non-Force using classes be able to fight the incredibly powerful Force-using royal family without receiving a Curb-Stomp Battle? One side holds that they should be destroyed in seconds, while the other argues that the films and TV shows have shown that a well-prepared Badass Normal can defeat the most powerful Force-users. Raising an opinion in favor of either side is sure to result in a Flame War on the BioWare forums.
- Starting with the Anarchist Pack, Cartel Packs were changed from being guaranteed to include two new items to possibly instead including one or two Grand Chance Cubes, an RNG-based package within an RNG-based package that can include a random Cartel Market item from older packs. Most older players who already have everything or almost everything from previous packs did not enjoy this change, but newer players were happy with a chance to get older items without having to make use of the short-lived Bronze, Silver and Gold pack system.
- While some have praised the Knights of the Fallen Empire expansion for its storyline and cinematics, others (including many who reacted favorably to the initial 9 'chapters') have criticized the expansion for its lack of new raids, shortness of chapters and lack of replayability, and changes towards all the old companions. For awhile, mentioning the actions of SCORPIO would cause a flame war, especially amongst Imperial Agent players.
- The Dark vs. Light event of summer 2016 has divided fans. While some might enjoy creating new characters and receiving interesting rewards, most veteran players have become frustrated having to go through recycled content (much of which they have done several times over by this point) for nothing more than some more achievement points and just a chance at some rare cosmetic gear.
- The Galactic Command system in 5.0 has garnered considerable controversy in the player-base. While this does give incentive to do some of the endgame content by applying a bonus to different game modes each day (provided you queue through the Galactic Command interface), people were not happy about the fact that endgame gear now originates from RNG boxes, or that the majority of the content in question is two to five years old, or that the system discourages alt play in a game that always exploited Alt-itis. The fact that the game has tried and failed with RNG before, but the developers seem bound and determined to shill this 'new' system anyway, does not help. Even the fact that the Command lockboxes can't be bought, and so the game is not pay to win, is offset by the fact that you can only get them if you're a subscriber—that is to say, you are still functionally paying real money to make your character more powerful.
- The Free-to Play model is one of the most divisive parts of the game. While Free-to-Play players can access the whole storyline, they are faced with many restrictions such as not being able to wear top-tier armor or have a limited amount of group missions they can do. They usually have to buy unlocks or passes to access all the content. On the other hand, players would argue that these restrictions are justified since they are playing the game for free.
- The cash shop called The Cartel Market has garnered plenty of controversy since some of its items are mostly obtainable in lockboxes which could encourage real-life gambling. Players have criticized the developers' heavy focus on the Cartel Market as well, especially since they do still offer subscriptions.
- The Iokath chapter and 6.0 expansion has created rumblings of this. For every player who is glad to go back to the Republic versus Empire dynamic, there are just as many who feel the way they're jettisoning the Alliance makes for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot, feel it wastes all the character development from the expansion, and missed out on an opportunity to Take a Third Option, given the whole Republic versus Empire war was due to Vitiate's manipulation in the first place.
- Canon Defilement: Some players aren't happy about the depictions of Revan, the Exile, and the general plot of the KOTOR games.
- Captain Obvious Reveal: In Knights of the Eternal Throne, It doesn't become much of a surprise that Valkorion betrays you since he is already considered to be untrustworthy for some people.
- Catharsis Factor:
- Bounty Hunter companion Skadge concludes his personal story by delivering a vicious SOB-kicking to Nem'ro the Hutt in revenge. Having killed Nem'ro at last, Skadge seems to gain some peace of mind. He almost becomes fond of the Hunter, and offers them the backup of his Black Sun connections so long as they're working together.
- For Sith Inquisitors, Overseer Harkun pretty much spends the entirety of your time on Korriban trying to make your life a living hell.. and during act 3, the players have the chance to just zap him to death for insubordination. Even light-sided players felt themselves hitting it just to kill him.
- Depending on how you feel about the character in question and his actions he committed in response to your decisions, Dark Sided players may relish when they finally get the chance to execute the traitor Koth Vortena in Chapter III of Eternal Throne. On the other hand, some who wanted him dead ended up being touched by his Anguished Declaration of Love to Lana and his confession of doing what he did to save lives, and settled on just punching him instead.
- Everyone who's ever played a Bounty Hunter enjoys the humiliating and well-deserved death they can inflict on Jun Seros, whose incredibly hypocritical, selfish, and self-righteous nature spurred him to murder your friends and frame you with a list of crimes kilometers long.
- After 5 years of being an Invincible Villain and Complete Monster, Vitiate finally dies for good at the end of Knights of the Eternal Throne.
- Players rejoiced at the option to finally kill Chancellor Saresh, who had steadily proven herself more unlikeable as expansions went by, in Kot ET. And for those who don't want Dark Side points, have no fear! You can still punch her in the face without consequence—an option almost everyone takes.
- For those who hate Quinn, you can kill him off.
- Complacent Gaming Syndrome: Not counting the purchasable Treek, players have access to six companions (technically five— nobody uses the droids EVER). Before the 4.0 update, you would often see players sticking to one companion and maybe occasionally swapping them out for achievement purposes. Usually, this was the designated healer or one of the tank companions, rarely any of the damage companions. Treek, a purchasable Legacy-wide character, was also frequently seen (and heard) due to her being a dual Tank/Healer spec. This has since changed after the 4.0 update, where they simplified the companion system and made it so you can choose your companion to be either DPS/healing/tank. Now most players will stick with their favorite companion and keep them in Healer mode, rarely ever swapping them out to DPS or Tank status. (Before they fine-tuned the system, however, Healer spec companions would do insane amounts of healing, to a point where people could solo the hardest Flashpoints alone without a dent in their HP. Players would often be kicked out of Flashpoint/Ops groups to allow a Healer spec companion into the group which, needless to say, was a *huge* source of friction between players)
- Complete Monster:
- Emperor Vitiate, born as Tenebrae and known as Emperor Valkorion to the people of Zakuul, and the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire franchise, was an illegitimate child of a Sith Lord and a farmer's wife. Rising to power at a young age after murdering his family, the young Sith Lord tortured his true father to death, imprisoning his soul to torment forevermore. After the Great Hyperspace War, Vitiate lured thousands of Sith Lords to his own world, where he forced them to participate in a ritual that empowered Vitiate, and left the world devoid of both life and force. Establishing a twisted empire with himself as its deified master, Vitiate would bring about the Mandalorian Wars to test the Republic, and eventually captured and torture the redeemed Jedi Revan for centuries. Initiating a massive war that claimed countless lives, Vitiate used sleeper agents to weaken the Republic and attempted to facilitate the destruction of entire star systems to enact his ritual on a grand scale, allowing him to devour all life in the galaxy. It was revealed that he had founded another empire on the world Zakuul by possessing a hero on the world centuries past, even marrying a human woman and fathering three children. Manipulating one of his twin sons into murdering the other, he treated his 'favored' daughter as science experiment, having her locked away and experimented on. Initiating a new invasion from his favored 'Eternal Empire', Vitiate bound his spirit to the hero, the Outlander, and ended up manipulating the galaxy into war, allowing his insane daughter to scend to Zakuul's rulership before having the Outlander kill her and leave the Eternal Throne leaderless. Revealing his intent had been to allow the powerful Eternal Fleet to annihilate the Jedi and Sith alike, the Outlander had been nothing but a new host for him to cultivate. A being so evil that even other Sith held him in contempt, Vitiate stands as one of the single most evil beings to ever threaten the galaxy.
- Darth Jadus, when first introduced, appears to only differ from his fellow members of the Dark Council in that he is enigmatic. It gradually becomes apparent that Jadus is twisted even by the brutal standards of the Sith. Jadus fakes his own death at the hands of a terrorist so he can secretly kidnap several hundred people and torture them into becoming his mindless servants. He then gives incredibly powerful Kill Sats to terrorists so they can use them to kill countless Imperial citizens, all so he can come back from the dead and save the day, increasing his political power. To prevent the other members of the Dark Council from figuring out his plans, Jadus has his insane daughter, Darth Zhorrid, succeed him on the Council as a distraction. If Zhorrid somehow manages to survive Sith politics, Jadus plans to have her killed. Jadus plans to use the power he will gain from his plans to repeat the tortures he inflicted upon the people he kidnapped with the entire Empire.
- Nar Shaddaa sidequest 'Genocide': Commander Vergost is a xenophobic and genocidal Imperial officer who disgusts even his fellow Imperials. Taking control of a slaving camp on Nar Shaddaa, Vergost uses the secrecy of the planet to develop a bioweapon unbeknownst to his superiors, using it to begin wiping out members of the alien race known as the Evocii. Vergost plans to unleash the weapon across the space moon to kill the millions of Evocii populating it, then to present his work to the Empire in the hopes of spreading it across the galaxy to eventually wipe out all alien races. When his bioweapon is destroyed, Vergost, in rageful spite, starts massacring every Evocii he can get his hands on, killing thousands of them before he is stopped.
- Rise of the Hutt Cartel: Toborro shows that even among the greedy Hutts, a whole new low can be reached. After the war between the Republic and the Empire breaks out once again, Toborro plots to seize the power for himself. To that end, he hires the InterStellar Regulators and brutally subjugates the peaceful planet of Makeb. His ruthless harvest of the rare Isotope-5 to build himself up as a galactic power soon brings the planet on the verge of destruction. Fully knowing it will soon explode, Toborro orders the construction of an ark, which will only evacuate himself and his treasures, leaving the civilian population to its grim fate. After his ark gets taken away from him, he angrily rants that he is the one being unrightfully robbed and swears bloody vengeance, announcing civilian massacres as long as the ark isn't returned to him. Even after this, he is given several chances to stand down and redeem himself, but he doesn't take any of it and instead tries to blow up his base and the planet prematurely, claiming that if he can't have the Isotope-5, nobody should. Toborro is such an megalomanical, racist and self-centered person that even his fellow Hutts willingly give themselves to the Republic instead of going along with his plans.
- Crazy Awesome: Meet Blizz, the Jawa with a rocket launcher!
- Creator's Pet: The writers have commented on how Vette is their favorite NPC in the game and how they're sure that everyone will love her. Not everyone agrees, but it has some unfortunate implications when combined with the fact that you can't do her quests and receive the related bonuses unless you remove her shock collar.
- Crosses the Line Twice:
- On Voss you meet a scientist who is assisted with a mentally deranged soldier who wandered too far into the Nightmare Lands. The deranged soldier behaves similarly to a mentally disabled person. What makes it humorous is how he likes mimic the scientist's gestures.
- One of the game's achievements involves you killing 100 Jawas.. while having the Party Jawa (a Jawa the hovers around you tied to balloons while throwing confetti) novelty item out. The name of the achievement ('That's just wrong!') even lampshades the absurdity of this situation.
- Crowning Music of Awesome: Has its own page.
- Disappointing Last Level:
- Corellia in the vanilla game. While not a terrible planet, it's far too long, confusing to navigate, and its planetary storyline isn't the best. All this is compounded by it being the last level of your class story arc: By the time you get there, you're ready to just finish your class quest, not run around doing errands for people.
- The second and final planet of the Shadow of Revan expansion, Yavin IV, was this to some people, as well. While the planet could have been great, both with its nostalgic connections to the Original Trilogy and its very strong ties to the EU lore, in practice the planet is far too small and way too short, as opposed to the far more fulfilling planet of Rishi that preceded it.
- Enjoy the Story, Skip the Game: The mechanics aren't anything special, and handles a lot like a clone of World of Warcraft. The game's primary selling point is the eight basic storylines, the Imperial/Republic storylines from levels 50-65, and the Knights of the Fallen Empire and Knights of the Eternal Throne arcs, which are all but a single-player campaign. All of these having full voice acting, multiple branches of the storyline depending on player choice, and a unique companion mechanic for PvE.
- Ensemble Dark Horse:
- Nico Okarr, despite having less screen time in 'Return' than anyone else except Jace Malcom, was definitely the star of the show. He initially doesn't even appear in the game proper, but is available as a companion in Knights of the Fallen Empire.
- Blizz, rocket-launching Jawa, has been this for developer Daniel Erickson, an appreciation that spread to the rest of the playerbase. He even adorns the logo of Torhead and won a popularity poll on IGN.
- Darth Vowrawn: an Affably Evil Dark Lord of the Sith. Member of the Dark Council for decades, he is funny, charming, and isn't the typical Bad Boss you tend to encounter within the Empire. He is also the main supporter of the Sith Warrior during Act 3 and unlike most of your Sith allies in both Sith class stories, he has yet to betray you. Many players like him, and he possesses a degree of popularity equal to Darth Marr amidst the Dark Council. Perhaps fittingly, if the players' decisions in Knights of the Eternal Throne lead to Acina's death, he becomes the new Emperor of the Sith Empire.
- And speaking of Darth Marr, he won a lot of players over with his dry sarcasm, badassery, intelligence, and desire to forge a new era for the Empire in a reasonable way. Despite his few appearances in the base game, he's been taking more and more of a role in the expansions, acting as the de facto leader of the Empire. A lot of players treat him as a better version of Darth Malgus, and you'd be hard pressed to find a player who doesn't at the very least respect Marr.
- Archive of Our Own writers are very fond of Vector Hyllus. Many a fanfic writer on that board would not mind marrying the entire nest.
- The Lady of Pain from the Bounty Hunter questline, a One-Scene Wonder that many players have stated they would have preferred as the fifth companion and resident Token Evil Teammate, instead of Skadge.
- Ashara, for the Sith Inquisitor, especially for light sided players, due to her rationality.
- Lord Praven, a Noble Demon Sith Lord the Jedi Knight encounters who has a profound sense of honor and fairness. He spares a group of civilians instead of killing them For the Lulz like most Sith, offers a one-on-one duel instead of ambushing you, and can be redeemed to the light side.If that happens, he pulls a Big Damn Heroes during Corellia and is still very much a badass. More than a few players wish he could be a companion.
- Theron and Lana from the Forged Alliances and Shadow of Revan storylines have proved popular with fans. Individually, Theron is liked for being a snarky, attractive Badass Normal, and Lana is liked for being one of the only reasonable Sith in the game. Collectively, they're liked for their superb voice acting, for actually investigating and doing things themselves instead of always relying on the PC, and for having surprisingly good romance sidequests for non-companions. It helps that their romance quests can be done by any gender, a first for the game. Theron especially is popular; when Knights of the Fallen Empire was announced, one of the first questions asked was 'is Theron in it?', and many fans expressed their joy when they learned that not only was he in it, he'd been made a companion.
- Evil Is Cool:
- When the Sith Assassins lurking inside the crashed starship ignited their blades, it was one of the coolest moments of the entire trailer. That's not even mentioning how badass Malgus is in all the trailers.
- This trope led to the amount of Imperial players to far outweigh Republic players (on some servers - Begeren Colony is evenly split, and Jung Ma has five Republic characters for every four Imperials). Tending to have more fun story quests and more interesting companions probably helps. You can still play a dark-sided Republic character or a light-sided Imperial one, however.
- Evil Is Sexy:
- Malgus certainly has quite the attractive posse when he invades the Jedi Temple. It includes a hot Twi'lek sidekick (his lover Eleena Daru) and a very attractive redheaded bounty hunter (Shae Vizla).
- Several of the Sith-aligned players' potential companions also fit this trope, such as Kaliyo Djannis for the Imperial Agent (though really she's less 'evil' and more 'extremely Chaotic Neutral').
- Princess Vaylin of Zakuul has gathered the immediate interest of many players. Does not help that this Ax-Crazy Force prodigy directly taunts the Outlander about them possibly having a crush on her.
- Fanon Discontinuity: For many, the game's treatment of a certain character from Knights of the Old Republic makes it this. To elaborate: not only giving Revan a face and a voice, but having him attempt genocide after all that work towards redemption.
- Foe Yay:
- Hunter's taunting of the male Imperial Agent often comes across as flirting. Subverted when Hunter is revealed to be female. Even then, its played straight with a female agent, though female agents don't get the option to give her a last kiss.
- The female Smuggler can take a tumble with Skavak before their final battle. He admits he is attracted to the female Smuggler, even if the femaleSmuggler is an alien, despite him not cavorting with aliens, even near-human species.
- Darmas Pollaran flirts with the female Smuggler and even though he has been manipulating the Smuggler to do the Voidwolf's bidding throughout the Smuggler's career as a Republic privateer; he admits that while the female Smuggler is not the first woman he manipulated, she is the first he genuinely regrets manipulating.
- Franchise Original Sin: BioWare has always been know for their ambitious writing and storytelling. An MMO with eight individual class stories? Companion characters with story arcs of their own? More written and voiced dialogue than the entire run of The Sopranos? Top-notch voice talent? All of this makes leveling a character from 1-50 a real treat. Unfortunately, despite individual class stories and companion arcs being the number one request on the official boards, Electronic Arts gutted the writing budget, and refuses to invest in those ambitious (and expensive) features, hiding behind a smokescreen of wanting 'The Avengers style plots.' At best, any content after Level 50 are generic grinds where the content and dialogue only differs by faction.
- Inverted with the Fallen Empire content, which is so story-focused it's basically a single-player game. It was advertised as 'a return to Bioware-style storytelling' as a direct Take That! to the above policies.
- Gameplay Derailment: A special event on Ilum put several PvE quests in a free-for-all PvP area, possibly to drum up more interest in PvP. Well, in a matter of hours players realized that there was no additional reward for attacking other players, aside from the dubious joys of ganking and griefing. Furthermore, some of the PvE quests were much easier in the PvP area. So, queue some server-wide truces in the PvP area with Imperial and Republic players cooperating on the daily quests, orderly lines forming for an orb drop-off puzzle, and some of the PvP heavy guilds on both Republic and Imperial sides coming out of it with nasty reputations for breaking said truce. Veteran MMO players on the official forums claimed they had never seen anything like it.
- Genius Bonus: 'Onomatophobia' (Greek), the trigger phrase for the Imperial Agent's brainwashing, is a fear of names or meaningful words. In the same vein, 'Iconoclasm' (also Greek), means 'breakingthe symbol' and releases the Agent from said brainwashing. Also, 'Legate', an ancient Roman title for a general or their deputy, is a fitting name for The Dragon, even though they're forced to obey.
- God Damned Bats:
- The Skytroopers from the Knights of the Fallen Empire and Eternal Throne expansions fall into this category since they are seen as The Usual Adversaries. On story mode chapters, they usually pose little threat and are seen as nothing more than Cannon Fodder. However, players will have alot of encounters with these mooks throughout the chapters.
- The Colicoids on Bugtown can become extremely annoying towards the players since they are all over the map making them difficult to avoid.
- The Shade Stalkers on Odessen can be really annoying. These creatures can detect you from long distances even if you are in stealth, can stun you, and like to stealth in and out of combat.
- Good Bad Bugs:
- Early on, characters would occasionally appear downright Lilliputian in cutscenes, for no reason. Hilariously, the other characters would actually look down at them, and so would the camera. It seemed to work so seamlessly within the engine that the first assumption was that you're dealing with a tiny alien race before it becomes obvious that it's a bug.
- The Esseles, the first Flashpoint most Republic players ever do, is known as the 'Bugboat' for a reason. NPCs will get stuck in animations that make no sense (usually cheering), the skybox has been known to disappear, and sometimes conversational NPCs will give you your objective while lying on the floor. Another infamous bug of the bad kind had it so that 50% of the time the Esseles goes warp speed, at least SOMEONE'S game will hard crash.
- When Fallen Empire launched, all of the companions that players previously owned had not only their main hand weapon sent to your inventory, but also their pants as well, and some even lost more than that. There was also a bug allowing players to go to the opposite faction's fleet, so Sith partying on the Republic Fleet were an occasional sight, and a bug that allowed Jedi Knights to have two versions of T7-01 after they're reunited with him.
- When early access for Fallen Empire Chapter XI launched, a bug caused Jorgan's armor and blaster to disappear during cutscenes unless you reset the mission, leading to the hilarious sight of him in his underwear with an imaginary blaster.
- Patch 4.7.2 caused almost all non-hostile NPCs to start carrying Vibroblades on their backs causingamusingmoments.
- Occasionally when an NPC dies, their body will be left frozen in their standing animation.
- A bug can make the player character, the current companion, or both invisible during cutscenes.. but not their weapons. This leads to surreal situations where NPCs are having full conversations with floating blasters and lightsabers.
- Another bug causes the reverse with the characters being visible, but not their weapons, leading to amusing scenes of people threatening each other with non-existent blasters.
- Speeding through conversations with the space bar can have.. weird effects on the actor NPC's animations. Like skipping the 'falling down' animation while they're in a 'talking' animation, resulting in them just sliding to the floor after they finish making their hand gestures.
- Sometimes companions of your own or even someone else will appear in your stronghold in their underwear such as Mako, Vette or Skadge.
- The Revanite Avenger armor set's helmet has a gold band around the eyes, but the band is coded to move with the wearer's brow. Sometimes it's not too noticeable, other times it looks near cartoonish like an Expressive Mask.
- When fighting Dread Master Styrak at the end of the Scum and Villany Operation, he will throw a random player into a nightmare where you have to kill an illusion of your own companion to exit. That is, if it doesn't send you to fight two of your companions, or even the companion of some other random class!
- Patch 5.4 was probably a definitive example for the game: all quests in the daily areas had their base Command XP reward increased by a factor of 15, from 75 to 1125. While this was definitely not intentional, this resulted in higher player activity, with daily areas having population not seen since they were first released. Bioware eventually agreed this was a good thing and not only announced there would be no punishment for using this bug, but intentionally left it unfixed for over a month. When they did fix it, the new reward totals were still significantly higher than they were before.
- Harsher in Hindsight: A number of player choices can fall into this trope or Player Punch, depending on how you look at them. Republic and Imperial characters alike can do things to the other side that can really hit hard if you have played both factions.
- On the Republic side, for example, witnessing the brutal Ulgo experiments on the Killiks and choosing to continue them for House Organa will likely make those with Imperial Agent characters squirm. One of the most beloved Agent companions, Vector Hyllus, is a Joiner, and his character and story delve deep into beauty of the Killiks and their struggle to be recognized in the Empire.
- Meanwhile, on the Imperial side, players, especially dark side ones, can do downright vicious things, the same kinds of actions that, when seen from the Republic's POV, can often personally traumatize Republic player characters, companions, and allies. For example, dark side Sith Warrior players hunting down and brutally murdering Jasea's parents or sending them to be tortured by Baras can be pretty haunting for those same players as Jedi Consulars when you discover Nadia's father tortured and murdered by an insane Sith Lord. Likewise, dark side Sith Warriors killing an unconscious Xerender in front of Wyellet can be unnerving when those same players experience Darth Angral killing Orgus Din right in front of them on the Holonet in the Jedi Knight storyline.
- Alderaan in general. Even thousands of years in the past, Alderaan was a beautiful world. Its destruction in A New Hope goes from a general tragedy to something a little more personal as this place you've personally seen, fought for, and whatever legacy your character(s) may have left behind is destroyed.
- In combat, Vette may yell to the Sith Warrior that 'if I die, I'm haunting you', In Knights of the Eternal Throne, Vaylin will kill her depending on if the Outlander choose to save Torian rather than her.
- Likewise with another joke made in an earlier chapter A Female Bounty Hunter gets a good luck wish from Torian in the form of Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur. (Mandalorian for: 'Today is a good day for someone else to die.') If you choose to save Vette, that 'someone else' is Torian.
- A real-world one, sadly. The Life-or-Limb Decision decision the Sith Warrior imposes on Tremmel became this when it was announced that Tremmel's voice actor had to have his legs amputated to save his life.
- He's Just Hiding!:
- A lot of talk has been going on since Darth Marr's death in Chapter 1 of Fallen Empire, and the appearance of his Force ghost at the end of Chapter 5, several of them trying at length to explain away both. This despite the fact that Marr's description in the companion menu writes him off as dead. Unsurprisingly, this is due to Marr's popularity with the fanbase.
- Thexan is also viewed as this for him being a much nicer person than his family despite his death being stated by some characters several times.
- Hilarious in Hindsight:
- During the Black Talon flashpoint, Grand Moff Kilran essentially uses the Imperial player character(s) to do his dirty work. At the end, you have the option to say that there won't be a next time. This turns out to be true and they never see him again, as he is the final boss of the Maelstrom Prison flashpoint on the Republic side and is defeated once and for all there.
- The Trooper storyline briefly features a dark-skinned private named Finn.
- There are a few lore similarities that came in later years between this game and Star Wars: Paranormalities, a fanfic set in the post-Original Trilogy Legends continuity that started in 2012:
- The plot of Paranormalities was set in a war between the Galactic Alliance and the Valkoran Empire, an original theocratic faction that is headed by an ancient enigmatic being known as Emperor Valkor, who has some Force-sensitives unaffiliated with either of the two mainline Force religions (although some of them are former members) at his disposal to lead his empire in public. Episode II of the trilogy was finished in early 2015. Then at E3 2015, Knights of the Fallen Empire was announced. Said expansion features an Emperor named Valkorion, a so-called immortal emperor who leads a long-hidden empire operating in a relatively unexplored region of the galaxy and supposedly using the Eternal Empire for a greater purpose, not unlike Valkor and his empire. However, one of the major differences - aside from their focus stories taking place in different eras - is that while Valkorion seems to be a human Abusive Parent, Valkor doesn't have any known children (unless you count other Forceless symbiotes spawned from his body) and he's most certainly not human. In the end, it turned out Valkorion isn't quite human himself - he is another avatar of the Sith Emperor, who used to be a human or near so about a thousand years ago, but now is an Eldritch Abomination with Omnicidal Maniac goals. Even further, both characters use avatars to present themselves, operate in multiple places at once while keeping their true selves in the shadows and claim to be leading one faction while also using it as a tool for another faction they own (in Valkor's case, however, the Valkoran Empire was an extension cult to the Forceless Collective; the Sith Empire was just a patsy for the Eternal Empire). Two more differences come in that Valkor is a dead spot in the Force (hence the term 'Forceless') while Valkorion is a Dark Force user (although one sometimes called a hole in the Force), and then their goals differ: Valkorion is an Omnicidal Maniac trying to preserve his immortality whereas Valkor wants to assimilate peopleto maintain order. Similar to Valkorion for Vitiate, Episode III's prologue reveals that Valkor is also just an alias for Yalbdalaoth, albeit one stolen from the real Valkor Vangeli (the surname was created partially as a response to the name similarities) while - according to Valkor's old friend, Admon Onae - having his body used as a puppet leader for the Forceless Collective. Then Eternal Throne revealed that Valkorion was once a separate person from Vitiate before having his persona hollowed out of his body.
- A mix of Harsher in Hindsight, the Traitor Among the Chiss flashpoint reveals why Force-sensitive Chiss are rare: Force-sensitivity is persecuted among the Chiss and considered a genetic impurity to the point that Chiss who exhibit it either are exiled, forced to suppress it, or executed. In Paranormalities, Grein — a member of a rare purple-eyed subspecies of Chiss - reveals later in the story why Chiss of her kind are a rare sight: in what would be over 300 years before the events of The Old Republic, the red-eyed Chiss orchestrated a Witch Hunt against Chiss with other eye-colors — after genetic discoveries of them being more likely to be Force-attuned than they are — leading to the purple-eyed Chiss being scattered across the galaxy and becoming an Endangered Species (other Chiss eye-colors are now extinct) in the present day. Supplementary material also reveals that some purple-eyed Chiss sided with the Republic when they learned that the Chiss Ascendancy was allied with the Sith Empire, and seeing how in that time period they still persecute Force-sensitivity, they had every right to be worried.
- In the Smuggler storyline, Syreena says that Skavak could 'charm the armor off a Mandalorian'. It is possible for the Smuggler to do exactly that if he is male and romances his Mandalorian companion, Akaavi Spar.Akaavi Spar: 'You will be the first outsider to be this close to me without my armor.'
- In the Inquisitor storyline, the Inquisitor can demand gifts from a group of cultists, specifically saying that they want to 'wear robes made of solid gold.'
- Ho Yay:
- Mako gets plenty of it with a female Bounty Hunter.
- Watcher Two gets some of this with the female Agent.
- For male Agents, this is subverted with Hunter, who turns out to be a woman.
- Kaliyo with the female Agent, in part due to her flirty personality and proposal to run away and become pirates together. The fact that the female Agent can be just as flirty doesn't help.
- During the initial questline for Sith Inquisitors, you are given tasks by one Overseer Harkun. He compares you, very unfavorably, to another acolyte named Ffon, a Sith Pureblood. While this could be an example of Fantastic Racism, the fact that he does it nearly every cutscene makes a few players wonder..
- And then there's Darth Zash, the Sith Inquistor's master. Nearly every word that comes out of her mouth sounds like she's flirting with the PC, male or female. That, coupled with the facts that she only wants you for your body (albeit in a much different way), and that the Inquisitor can sound like a jealous lover upon learning she's taken other apprentices, gives the relationship lots of different undertones..
- Hollywood Pudgy: The type 4 ('fat') female body type is clearly a fit woman who happens to have curves. As in, it's literally just the type 2 ('standard') type with larger breasts and hips, a slightly less toned stomach, and a slightly more rounded face. This wouldn't stand out so much except that the male equivalent is almost spherical (albeit obviously heavily muscled), complete with obvious man-boobs.
- It's Easy, So It Sucks!: After 4.0, most of the class story missions became incredibly easy due to the level sync and the stronger, more flexible companions. The final bosses of the Sith Warrior and Inquisitor class story are far more easier than they used to be because their level is scaled really low due to them being in a starter world. This was also a criticism for the Knights of the Fallen Empire story since most of the fights had very little challenge to them, though the Veteran and Master difficulties have somewhat mollified this.
- Jerkass Woobie:
- The Dark Side Inquisitor. Yeah, they're a manipulative, puppy-kicking, power-hungry jerk, but given whatthey'vebeenthrough, it's hard not to feel sorry for them.
- Darth Zhorrid. Sure she's a cruel Psychopathic Manchild with a severe streak of The Caligula, but given she had Darth Jadus for a father, how could she have turned out to be anything else?
- Arcann and Vaylin. They are puppy-kicking, power-hungry jerks, but they only want the love and approval of their parents.
- Memetic Mutation:
- Please keep the dancing in the designated dancing zones.
- TORtanic, due to the belief the game would be a WoW killer and how much faith and money was put into it note , only for it to turn out to not quite be the new MMO killer app that people believed it would be.
- Jokes about Darth Baras are incredibly common amongst the Imperial side, usually involving his weight issues or his anger issues. Some even consider him a Memetic Badass. One example would be this parody of the Sith Code:
Cake is a lie, there is only pie.
Through pie, I gain calories.
Through calories, I gain weight.
Through weight, I gain body mass.
Though body mass, my belt is broken.
The recliner shall set me free.- 'Your weakness is in your blood!' note
- 'Choice is an illusion!' note
- Knights of the Eternal Grindnote
- When Arcann romance?note
- Moral Event Horizon:
- If you didn't think Vitiate/Valkorian wasn't Obviously Evil enough he:
- Made Kira Carsen and a dozen others into a 'Child of the Emperor' when they were just infants.
- Wiped out all life on Nathema and Ziost.
- Imprisoned and tortured his own father and locked up his daughter to be 'conditioned' while driving her to insanity.
- Was responsible for creating the war with the Republic and Empire.
- Tarro Blood crosses this in the Bounty Hunter class quest after he kills Braden and Jory.
- A common criticism of the alignment system is that it averts this. Especially on Empire Side, players can engage in some really horrific random atrocities regardless of their current alignment. Not only are these ultimately redeemable on-net, they don't hit hard enough to cost you an alignment tier unless you were borderline. Likewise, Sith Lords can engage in random acts of kindness because it's Thursday. Players engaged in roleplaying light, dark or 'pragmatic/noble' will usually avoid grouping with anyone other than trusted friends due to this. It's going to take some serious meditation for your Light IV Consular to reconcile airlocking those civilians because that's what your teammate picked..
- Arcann arguably crosses it in Knights of the Fallen Empire's tenth chapter when he orders Vaylin to take the Eternal Fleet and bombard five random worlds to dust to lure the player out of hiding.
- Vaylin crosses this when she orders the Eternal Fleet to fire upon her own citizens when The Outlander and Arcann crash her celebration. And even if you could forgive that, it's unlikely you could let her off for murdering Torian or Vette in cold blood just to inflict anguish on the Outlander. One dialogue option for Light-siders in response to this is the Outlander saying they're through with trying to redeem her because they can't possibly forgive her for what she's done.
- If you didn't think Vitiate/Valkorian wasn't Obviously Evil enough he:
- Most Annoying Sound:
- Companion character chatter could be rather excessive at times during earlier beta builds. Several characters, particularly Vette, Corso Riggs, and Mako had a small hatedom because of this, predominantly composed of people who were not actually playing that class. Happily, this was tuned downward significantly in the final beta build and for launch.
- The Taris Spaceport has a holorecording of the planet's governor giving a speech welcoming new arrivals and talking about how together the people of the Republic can overcome anything and will succeed in their efforts to make Taris habitable again. The problem is that the recording plays every single friggin' time you enter or leave the spaceport, and you have to listen to it over and over and over and over and over.. It doesn't help that most players hatethe character giving the speech.
- Every class has certain lines that are generic enough to fit almost any conversation, which leads to them being repeated .. over and over and over and over again. If playing as a Jedi Knight you're likely quite sick of hearing: 'A Jedi's limits must always be put to the test.'
- In (thankfully only) one area of Makeb, every enemy spawn shouts 'Engaging the enemy!' when they aggro.
- After one patch, a bug caused the Trandoshan companion, Qyzen Fess, to never stop grunting and growling after combat. Cue hundreds of Consulars on Coruscant simply turning off their speakers until it was fixed.
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- Narm:
- Can be invoked by the player through the use of purely aesthetic outfits and cartel unlocks. Buy some truly silly or out-of-place looking outfits on the Cartel.. and watch the seriousness of the scenes get ruined because your character is wearing absolutely ridiculous armour.
- Better yet, some options are tied to class rather than race. The player can have some fun with legacy or cartel unlocks to have a Cathar player ask 'What's a Cathar?' on Ord Mantell, go through the Jedi Knight or Consular storylines as a Sith Pureblood, have a Sith Pureblood Bounty Hunter say 'Well good thing I have no Sith DNA', go through Mako's storyline while looking almost exactly like Mako, or have an obvious Cyborg rescue someone from 'Cyborg freaks'. And that's not even touching all the (often ridiculous) hairstyles you can put on your characters.
- If the player doesn't romance Vette, the ending to Jaesa Willsaam's light-sided companion story can end with her accepting the 'logic' of having the player's child.
- The Sith Warrior's 'Force Scream' attack, damaging the enemy by expelling force energy from the mouth. The problem is that it sounds way too deep to qualify as a 'scream' - at best, it sounds like a roar, but at worst, it both sounds and looks like a belch.
- The reused body language animations all the characters use tends to result in this, particularly how many use the same hand-waving motions while explaining things, or while not explaining anything, regardless of their personality or how natural the motions are for a given conversation. This is particularly egregious with the 'turn head to the side before turning it back with a slight shake' animation, which tends to pop up at least once per conversation.
- In Knights of the Fallen Empire, they have upped the more unique body language and facial animations for characters, which makes for a jarring experience when going back to replay the vanilla part of the game.
- The 'Smiling' animation can look between Uncanny Valley and this, since characters all have the same smile regardless of their model. This can be outright hilarious when Theron looks way too happy if you have Saresh arrested.
- Lord Vanithrast's voice acting in the Maelstrom Prison flashpoint is unintentionally hilarious.
- THE ETERNAL THRONE IS MIIINEE!!
- By default, Togruta characters have their headgear disabled.. but they will still have a filter applied to their voice unless the helmet is hidden.
- The beginning of Chapter VII and IX of Knights of the Eternal Throne begin with the player character waking up after nightmares. Unfortunately, your character is always in their equipment. And will even have their helmets or weapons on them, making one wonder just how they can sleep wearing heavy armour and/or with a rifle strapped to their back.
- The musical score for the first scene with Satele and Marr's ghost is 'Across the Stars,' the love theme from Attack of the Clones.
- Playing a Chiss Jedi Consular will result in an inadvertently hilarious example of racial insensitivity◊ when meeting one of the mission contacts on Hoth. The Chiss race is unavailable for Republic classes until you get a Chiss character to level 50 (or pay to unlock the race), so it's a scene that you'll likely set up deliberately, rather than something you encounter by accident.
- Can be invoked by the player through the use of purely aesthetic outfits and cartel unlocks. Buy some truly silly or out-of-place looking outfits on the Cartel.. and watch the seriousness of the scenes get ruined because your character is wearing absolutely ridiculous armour.
- Narm Charm:
- Use the legacy system to unlock 'Legacy Dirty Kick' and use the Heroic moment. Everyone will now be able to just kick all enemies in the crotch. It becomes even more hilarious if one is a ranged class, which means you might run up, kick them right in the crotch, then run to a safe distance. Hilarity Ensues.
- 'Ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a durasteel-toed boot in the nards.'
- Scoundrels in general. While a Gunslinger is more classic ranged fighter, a scoundrel will more or less use their pistol in every way but shooting it. It's absolutely hilarious to see them sucker-punching and pistol whipping everyone. While their Imperial counterpart plays the same, they use a two-foot knife instead.
- As an Acceptable Break from Reality, a lot of minor crowd control effects work on droids or animals. This makes a Smuggler kicking them in the crotch (or shooting them in the crotch) or Tharan summoning Holiday to distract them even more hilarious and simultaneously awesome.
- Use the legacy system to unlock 'Legacy Dirty Kick' and use the Heroic moment. Everyone will now be able to just kick all enemies in the crotch. It becomes even more hilarious if one is a ranged class, which means you might run up, kick them right in the crotch, then run to a safe distance. Hilarity Ensues.
- Play the Game, Skip the Story: Bioware tried their utmost to avert this, but unfortunately it still failed, as within a few weeks, there were people who had rushed to the max level as fast as they could bitching about the lack of end-game content.
- Rooting for the Empire: Unsurprisingly, many players prefer the Empire because of the Evil Is Cool and Evil Is Sexy aspects. The Pet the Dog moments Imperial characters receive probably don't help, and the fact that Imperial storylines seem to be more interesting and well-written in general are more fuel for the fire.
- The Scrappy:
- The Sith Emperor himself, or more specifically his Vitiate persona, is widely derided as a Flat Character and Invincible Villain, a blatant and Up to Eleven ripoff of Darth Nihilus and Dark Empire-era Darth Sidious, and a walking Diabolus ex Machina responsible for Shoot the Shaggy Dog-dom here.
- 2V-R8 and C2-N2, the factotum droids who clean, cook, and maintain the Imperial and Republic players' ships, respectively, are disliked due to them always speaking when the player boards their ship, repeating one of only a handful of fawning lines. What also doesn't help is that they don't get any affection conversations with the player, making them rather bland compared to the other class-specific companions (even the optional companions like HK-51 and Treek get affection conversations). Mechanically-speaking, they were basically placeholder healers, less effective than the other pre-4.0 healers, and even more pointless if the pre-4.0 player was a Bounty Hunter and got their healer companion on the first planet of Chapter 1. In Knights of the Fallen Empire they're marginally less useless due to now being able to serve as damage and tank companions, and getting kills with each will award you with Cartel Coins and Legacy Titles. Furthermore, C2-N2 has a weekly mission that allows one to gain influence with the Alliance Specialists.
- Skadge is probably the most loathed out of all the companions for being both a terrible tank and a generic, one-note Psycho for Hire that contrasts with light-sided Bounty Hunters (and provides no reason other than blustering threats he certainly can't fulfill for a dark side hunter to not simply shoot him dead). While most dark side companions can put up with actions that negate influence, Skadge is a complete Jerkass that insults players even when he's assigned to do simple crew skill missions. Oh, and he hints that he might rape a female NPC from the Belsavis questline if he got the chance. Lovely. If The Old Republic were a single-player game and companions were killable in the base game, most players probably wouldn't find out that Skadge could even be recruited.
- Saresh is despised by players for her obnoxiously loud message, which always plays whenever you walk through the Taris spaceport. The hate only became worse after the Shadow of Revan and Ziost storylines, as she's proven herself to be unreasonable, hot-headed, and blinded by her hatred of the Empire, to the point of being an Obstructive Bureaucrat. She gets even more worse in Knights of the Eternal Throne. She attempts to have the Alliance Leader killed by hiring a band of elite mercenaries. She then tries to take the place as the new Alliance Commander. Luckily the real Alliance Leader arrives and stops her. The leader can punch her in the face, execute her, or have her stay in a prison for a very long time.
- Scrappy Mechanic:
- The platforming required to collect many of the Datacrons. Players are somewhat divided between those who enjoy the change in pace and those who utterly loathe it. The engine's general unsuitability to platform gameplay doesn't help.
- In Rise of the Hutt Cartel, one of the new activities that can be performed involves using a 'Seeker Droid' to look for treasure. Unfortunately, the mechanics were copied wholesale from Archeology in World of Warcraft, a profession that is highly unpopular to begin with. To look for treasure, the player goes to a specified area and targets the ground with the droid. If there is treasure, the droid brings it to the player; if not, the droid blinks red and a circular indicator around the player shows in which general direction the player should try digging, assuming there is any treasure within range. The process takes at least fifteen seconds, and since the indicator is very vague, finding even one item is an exercise in frustration. Most people only do the associated quest line, and then avoid the activity altogether.
- In the HK-51 questline, the player must look for HK parts scattered around the different worlds to rebuild the droid. To do this they will need to use an excavator that channels for 16 seconds, scanning for the parts. If players are unlucky enough, the search can last for a few hours before they finally find the part. Fortunately, players can unlock the HK companion in their legacy once they complete the quest. But it has to be done on both factions to have it fully unlocked.
- The Reverse Engineering method of discovering better crafting recipes can cause endless amounts of frustration for some. Items you craft can be broken down again with a chance to discover a crafting recipe for a better version of that item. Unfortunately, if the Random Number God decides it hates you, this can set you back tens of thousands of credits as you burn through materials with no success. It gets even worse for Free-to-Play players, for whom the chance of a discovery is halved.
- The decision to make every normal Flashpoint available as a Tactical Flashpoint in Fallen Empire and to make them all scale every player's level up to 65, the latter of which is especially bad for high-level players because there's a chance they'll get paired up with inexperienced players who can't be trusted to not ruin it. The Flashpoints being overtuned at launch didn't help.
- Eternal Throne has a few instances where you are piloting walkers. The problem? The walkers have Tank Controls, removing your ability to strafe, which can make attacking and dodging at the same time more difficult (not helping is that in otherStar Warsgames where you could drive AT-STs - the vehicles these walkers are based on, they weren't inhibited by such controls). The only exception to this is during the Iokath arc, where the giant war droid you refurbish into a pilotable Humongous Mecha controls just like your player character (and bonus points for the fact that you're piloting a giant humanoid mecha somewhere in the Star Wars universe).
- Sidetracked by the Gold Saucer: The game seems to encourage this. There's the class quest, but there are dozens of sidequests, heroics that reset daily, flashpoints, PvP, the space battle rail shooter, codex and datacron hunting, experience points for exploration, a bonus sidequest series for most planets, world bosses.. it's not unheard of for players to hit the level cap somewhere during the bonus series on Alderaan (there are three chapters of story; Alderaan's bonus series is meant to be done between chapters 2 and 3).
- Slow-Paced Beginning: Many of the class stories, especially on the Republic side (and doubly so for the Jedi Consular) are pretty dull in the first act, and only pick up steam in Acts 2 and 3.
- Suspiciously Similar Song: Some soundtracks in the game sound similar to tracks from the original Star Wars movies.
- Republic Combat theme sounds similar to 'Panaka and the Queen's Protectors' from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace.
- 'Escape from Zakuul' is similar to 'Hyperspace' from Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.
- Some parts in the music from Ziost sounds similar to the soundtrack from Alien.
- The combat theme for the Bounty Hunter class sounds very similar to the battle music with Kazdan in The Force Unleashed
- Take That, Scrappy!: In the HK-55 bonus chapter of Fallen Empire, HK comes across a gallery of droids whose memory banks the villain has copied. They're all destroyed in a firefight, leading HK to mourn their loss, except for 2V-R8.
- Several of the Scrappy entries (Skadge, Broonmark) or 'love them or hate them' characters (Kaylio, Xalek) can be killed in the Fallen Empire expansion.
- Bad news: In Chapter II of Eternal Throne Saresh tries to kill you and take over the Alliance. Good news: This means that the chapter ends with a chance to have her executed. And even if you don't, she still gets imprisoned and probably will not get out any time soon.
- Tastes Like Diabetes: Nadia Grell's combat dialogue, especially when she gets low on health.
- That One Achievement:
- Getting the Makeb Endurance Datacron is a very grueling task. Players will have to navigate through a long course of slow-moving platforms and difficult jumping puzzles that leave no room for error. If you miss one jump and fall to your death, you have to start from the very beginning. Luckily, once you obtain the datacron, it will be unlocked for your legacy so your alts don't have to get it.
- The Rishi Datacron is much worse. It requires players to camp for creatures that drop a special item to unlock the Datacron. The catch is that the creatures have a 5% chance of spawning from killing smaller creatures that have a 5 minute respawn timer.Have fun spending all day camping for those creatures.. It was far worse during the early release of Shadow Of Revan since the packets could accidentally be sold as grey items and be lost forever.
- That One Boss:
- Operator IX in the Terror From Beyond Operation. Many groups consider this boss (3/5) to be tougher than the final boss, as it is a MASSIVE COORDINATION CHECK. The first phase consists of cores that you have to destroy and 2 players must channel an ability based on the colour they have chosen to deactivate the core's shields. Adds will spawn that will interrupt the players if not stopped and a nasty add will spawn if you fail to destroy the cores. Furthermore, in NiM the cores must be burned down within seconds of each other or the boss will enrage and wipe the group. Also there will be an Orb that will CC players and must be destroyed by a player of the same colour (you need the buff it gives you for phase 2). After you've cleared the 4 parts of phase 1 (which is tough) you have to deal with phase 2, which primarily involves staying away from other players who are targeted except for the player who has the required buff who has to touch them to prevent a wipe while everyone stays away from the circles around the boss which will wipe the raid if they touch the wrong colour.
- Master and Blaster in 'The Ravagers' Operation is one of the toughest bosses in an operation even on story mode. The group will have little room to maneuver due to the growing AOEs that spawn, made even worse with bombs applied on several members that will detonate if some group members are too close to each other. When Master shows up, he will do plenty of damage to the tank and he has an ability called laser cutter which will kill a member if one player does not help absorb some of the damage from the ability. Master will also surround itself with fire in one phase and will deal heavy damage to melee players if they don't get out fast enough. On the other hand, the voice acting and dialogue during the fight is entertaining.
- The Underlurker in the 'Temple of Sacrifice' Operation. This boss, like Operator IX, is a heavy coordination check. Tanks, DPS, and Healers need to be in a certain position for a small amount of time. If they position incorrectly, the team receives a lot of damage. You also need to kill the adds quickly because they dish out raid-wide damage. The overall damage of the boss can pose a real strain towards the healers. The boss also has a very tight enrage timer so you need to have really good DPS in your group. Many PUGs have fallen to this boss.
- HK-47 in the Foundry flashpoint may be a fun cameo, but if your group isn't on the top of its game it'll be knocked on its ass. A few glitches that'll instakill an unlucky party member only make it worse.
- The Nightmare Pilgrim on Voss. First of all, he's triggered by some Schmuck Bait posing as a lore object, leading to unsuspecting players getting squashed flat when they just wanted to update their codex. Assembling a party to take it out anyway? You cannot have more than 16 people otherwise, instakill. Otherwise? One-Hit Kill. Second, you need an alpha-wave generator on all 16 people (and said object can't even be purchased on Voss; you have to truck to Section X on Belsalvis or go to Ilum to get it, and do their dailies to grind for the comms to buy it) or it's One-Hit Kill. And after all that? Two bosses spawn and there's an annoying debuff that means the party has to constantly switch between the two and kill them both at the same time or the survivor enrages and pulls a wipe. And when you do manage to kill it, you're saddled with a debuff that lasts five days preventing you from attacking it again that week or.. you guessed it. Little wonder no one wants to bother getting the achievement.
- The Corrupted Elder Subteroth on Oricon. It's a bit of a gear check, and while it is a solo mission, it really should be listed as a team mission. If you have the gear to beat it solo, you might already have better than the gear reward the mission gives. The same could be said of most other Oricon missions, for that matter—you can't get to Oricon without being level 55, so the entire single-player questline is basically meant as training for the Dread Fortress and Dread Palace operations.
- IR-77, the champion-level assassin droid that sometimes ambushes you during the macrobinocular storyline. He's not that dangerous for a champion, and he always runs at about 50% hit points, but he's a clear sign, along with other hints throughout the series, that the quest line is going to end in a Heroic 4 mission. How? Well, he has three attacks that stunlock you, and has an ability, not unlike each player class to overcome at least one stunlock applied to himself.
- Ortuno, the second boss in the 'Depths of Manaan' flashpoint, for one crucial reason: Flow. If you aren't standing in one of the water pools when he channels his lightning, you take serious damage. If you are, you die. Even on normal difficulty, he's tougher to fight than the flashpoint's final boss. He's often considered harder than some Operations bosses. Even when he is not using flow, he also does heavy single target damage if a player is unfortunate enough to be standing in one of the puddles. Doing this boss on normal mode without a tank or dedicated healer can be frustratingly difficult.
- The final boss of the Battle of Rishi flashpoint is a first rate pain. Big walker in the center with a lot of hit points already. Then, add the heavy-hitting AOE attacks that take up most of the board and make melee tanks put a lot of effort into running around just to keep from being clobbered. Add another mechanic where the boss sends out waves of damage around the entire arena, forcing the players to scramble behind a shield or be wiped. THEN we get two waves of champion-level adds to distract the DPS and healer at the worst possible moments.
- The final boss for Chapter II of Eternal Throne on veteran and master mode is insanely difficult compared to the other encounters in the different chapters. The boss has 2 elite bodyguards that will pull you around the room and stun you. The main boss himself is no laughing matter, he has a long channel that will one-shot you if you don't stop him fast enough. Additionally, he has a cone attack that will do heavy damage to you and your companion if you don't interrupt him fast enough. If your companion is unfortunate enough to be standing in his rocket attack, she will die in a few hits. The overall damage the bosses dish out could burn down you and your companion easily if you are not geared enough.
- Vaylin at the end of Eternal Throne. You have no companionnote , no other source of healing except for a sporadically-appearing battlefield effect that wanders around, and she likes to hit you with a high-damage stun-lock while her one-hit-kill ability is charging. Melee characters especially will spend more time running out of her damage fields than actually fighting, and she has a huge health pool that makes the fight take forever even after you have it figured out. It's by far the hardest boss fight in either of the Knights of the.. expansions; the actual final boss is a cakewalk by comparison.
- That One Level:
- Taris is loathed, particularly by the Republic players, who get to experience it at lower levels. Why, you ask? Rakghouls,everywhere.Everywhere. To say nothing of how, if you had any pride in what you accomplished on Taris as a Republic player, as an Imperial player you get to reverse everything good you did on that planet. Almost literally, every mission you undertake as an Imperial is a direct counterpoint to one you did as a Republic player. In short, as a Republic character, you dig a hole. As an Imperial player, you fill it. Republic players will also believe that they have completed all the quests on the planet when they discover they've opened a bonus quest strand in a new zone populated by more enemies.
- On Hoth the boredom of running vast distances from one quest to another is compounded by the lack of any scenery besides endless snow.
- Also, Belsavis is often disliked due to how incredibly long it is, both in terms of size and mission design. The same can also be said of Alderaan, which isn't quite as long a mission slog to get through, but is so sprawling takes roughly 3 minutes to load into even on high-end machines.
- Any class that has to infiltrate House Rist on Alderaan will quickly learn to hate it, particularly the Inquisitor, whose fight at the end is rather challenging. And failure at any point means trekking all the way back through..
- Imperial Balmorra provokes a similar reaction. Particularly the bonus series, which is an unfortunate combination of lengthy and relatively challenging for its level. And the colicoids, dear Lord, the colicoids..
- Colicoid War Games, mainly because the turret and maze sections require coordination that pick-up groups are unlikely to have. Apparently BW agreed, because they've since nerfed this fight.
- Corellia; the map is very large and filled with linear corridors that have unavoidable mobs, there are a few dead ends as well. The whole planet feels like a Marathon Level.
- The Space Combat mission called 'Taspan Ambush'. Where do we even begin? You have to escort a shuttle carrying a Republic defector from point A to Point B. Just like your very first space mission. Sounds easy right? Except this time, aside from the dozens of starfighters, there's ten Republic frigateschasing this shuttle, not just engaged in a brawl with the Imperial fleet sent to recover it. You have scant seconds to disable all of the turrets (all 8 of them) in all of the frigates (all 10 of them) before they leave the shuttle too damaged to survive the massive ambush that awaits in the asteroid belt. What makes this so frustrating is that in most other space missions, success or failure depends solely on your ability to dodge enemy shots, and shoot accurately. But on here, ships ignore you completely, and focus exclusively on the shuttle. As if this wasn't enough, FRIENDLY FIRE IS ENABLED. That's right, if you don't aim carefully, your own blasters will reduce the health of the shuttle.
- Cha Raaba Assault (and its Republic mirror, Thanium Disruption), is considered the hardest Heroic Space Mission by far. Even with full upgrades, it's possible to die in seconds if you slip up. It doesn't help that the first two minutes of the mission is just shooting down two heavy fighters and dodging asteroids, with the fighters probably not taking up more than a minute of your time.
- Tatooine, for both factions, is very long and very boring. It's a little better since they lowered the level requirements for mounts, but it still takes several minutes to travel between encounters.
- Many, many former Heroic 4 missions could qualify. Almost all of the mobs were elite, could kill in 2-3 hits, and at times it could be very hard to find a group of 4 in contrast to just one other person to run it with you. (To say nothing of how you could often solo Heroic 2s when they still gave their full experience reward if you and your NPC companion had good enough gear or were a couple levels higher.) They got even harder if the group didn't have any healers, as they would have no way to heal without companions, who are of course dismissed once the group is full and had to rely on proper teamwork and dishing out more damage before the enemy mobs killed them.
- Among Flashpoints, Blood Hunt is universally hated; the most obvious fault is that it's an extreme strain on lower-end computers, but the main issue is the second boss, Jos and Valk Beroya, who also count as That One Boss. Even on Tactical mode, the fight is long, both fighters put out insane damage and CCs, and they have a knockback they can use to easily one-shot you if you're too close to the edge of the arena. To make matters worse, the healing stations are conveniently stationed around the edges of the arena so the bosses might knock you off if you try to heal the group. It's no better on Hard mode, where the first boss is a massive DPS check.
- The Seeker Droid and Macrobinocular questlines contain Heroic 4 missions that haven't been scaled down post-4.0 so that they can be soloed, nor can they be shared. Because the questline is old (from 2013-ish), anyone who completed it did so years ago, meaning that the chances of you finding three other people for 'Dark Design' and 'Uprooting the Last Seed' are slim-to-none. You're better off simply never starting the quests.
- Chapter X of Fallen Empire is mostly hated by the player-base due to it being a Marathon Level with lots of unskippable and repetitive Skytrooper encounters that are only there to make the chapter longer. On Veteran or Master Mode, it is much worse when you encounter a Dual Boss that dishes out insane amounts of damage to you and your companion. In addition to several unavoidable encounters with Zakuul Knights that can deal heavy amounts of damage and could kill you in a few hits on Master Mode.
- Chapter II of Eternal Throne is one of the hardest chapters on Veteran and Master difficulty. The first boss you face is a group of Jungle Beast that spawns a group of adds and one has an ability that will instantly kill you if you are below 30% health. The second boss can be really annoying for melee classes due to the probes that can slow you down and prevent you from leaping. In addition, there are droids that slowly cast strong attacks and the boss itself can deal heavy damage and stun-lock you as well. The third boss is where you have to face the mercenary leader along with two elite guards. The guards like to stun and pull you around while the leader deals AO Es that could kill your companion if you are not careful.
- 'The Traitor Among The Chiss' flashpoint is disliked due to the length of the flashpoint and the excessive mob encounters. The enemies also love to stun you and it is very easy to accidentally aggro multiple mobs. It doesn't help that the bosses have LOTS of HP which makes the fights more tedious.
- That One Side Quest:
- 'The Dissonance Wave' mission in the Makeb Bonus Series. This quest is a Marathon Level which involves going to three different bases that are infested with enemies and activating each drill. Traveling there can be tedious since there are mobs everywhere that could easily knock you off your mount.
- 'A Kindly Old Monster' alliance mission in the Fallen Empire expansion. The first stage of the quest involves gathering at least a thousand crafting materials for him. After that, you have to wait for an event that shows up every few months to progress through the mission.
- 'The Meek and the Mighty' on Iokath involves piloting a Mouse Droid underneath a walker and detonating it. It is a Stealth-Based Mission since you can easily be destroyed by the mobs. When you reach the walker, it can easily detect you and kill you in a few hits. To make matters worse, the self-destruct ability doesn't always kill the walker. And if the Mouse Droid is destroyed, you have to spend power shards to use it again.
- 'Search and Rescue'. By the time you find this quest, you've likely been coasting through the Heroic missions with just you and your companion, even if the mobs are quite tougher than usual. But this Heroic is here to slap you across the face and remind you that, yes, sometimes you really do need the recommended amount of players even with a companion for Heroics. Unlike virtually every other Heroic you've done to this point, 'Search and Rescue' pits you against a long, grueling gauntlet of gold elite and white elite mobs in tight clusters of at least four or five, and even just one of them is capable of shredding your health even at max level.
- Tough Act to Follow: The Knights of the Old Republic games are probably some of the most influential entries into the Star Wars Expanded Universe, with the first one being almost universally loved and the second containing one of the best Deconstructor Fleets to get dropped on George Lucas's universe. Following up either would be tough, but following up both? Being from the same creators as Mass Effect on top of it? And trying to compete in a market dominated by World of Warcraft?
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Many fans considered this true of the Light Side incarnation of Jaesa Willsaam, bemoaning the fact that she has to be turned to the Dark Side in order to be romanced. Particularly since her recruitment path actually makes it a plot point that Jaesa decided to join a Light Side Sith Warrior after realizing that Dark Is Not Evil and that the Jedi are not always the paragons they claim to be. The second most common complaint about Jaesa is that both of her personalities are extreme. LS Jaesa is essentially a Jedi who won't abide any dark decisions. DS Jaesa is a psychopath who won't abide any light decisions. It's an odd state of affairs for someone whose unique gift is being able to know that people are putting on false fronts or trying too hard. This is made even worse when you compare her to the companion most similar to her, Ashara Zavros, whose entire character arc focuses on realizing that morality isn't black and white and can't just be boiled down to Light Side and Dark Side.
- This was also said about companions who are not returning for Knights of the Fallen Empire.
- The companions in general due to Jaesa, who is the ONLY one of the about 2 dozen companions altogether across whose personality can be affected by the player's actions much like Jade Empire and several of it's companions. Being able to corrupt even the nicest of these characters and redeem even the most evil had lots of potential that was squandered.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The Alliance, as of 5.9 lost the Gravestone and the Gemini Fleet, and the developers announced they're going back to Republic versus Empire, making most of the plotline All for Nothing. Many players on the forums remark that they feel that this is a missed opportunity to Take a Third Option.
- They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: 4.0 and 5.0 were notorious for making some major changes to the game that were not well received by the community. 4.0 removed lots of content including some quest-givers, achievements, mounts, cutscenes, armor sets, and some stronghold decorations in order to streamline the game. 5.0 changed and removed abilities for some of the classes in addition to implementing a new gearing system which was widely loathed among the player-base.
- Tier-Induced Scrappy:
- Skadge. Tanks are useless, since bounty hunters are bulky enough. Broonmark for similar reasons, though Broonmark isn't as dislikable as Skadge characterwise.
- Qyzen, Quinn, and sometimes Kaliyo, Corso, Bowdarr, and Khem Val - for simply being too good at their jobs.. before the Knights of the Fallen Empire expansion. The classes they accompany utterly need them, as squishy Consulars and Inquisitors utterly need someone to keep the heat off of them, especially for Shadows and Assassins who must strike from behind. For Smugglers and Agents, a tank is needed because otherwise they get beaten up by enemies. Quinn likewise because he is the healer - and you get him very early, combine this with the Sith Warrior's ability to wear heavy armour and you will probably not drop him. (even when he tries to kill you.) While they may be likeable characters, some people dislike them simply because they would like to use some of their other companions at times, but prior to Knights of the Fallen Empire, it was simply impractical to swap to a non-tank or non-healer companion for most people unless you were playing an already tanky class.
- It was also notable that prior to Knights of the Fallen Empire, the medics also could use an ability that would deal extra damage (contributing to DPS) and could swap to a stance that would make their shots and this attack deal more damage.
- Uncanny Valley:
- While generally averted for most characters in-game, the same couldn't be said for children. Girls in particular possess the same womanly curves and breasts as the adult models do.
- Also notable is a (fixed by now) graphics glitch that makes Weequay NPCs' heads invisible, with the exception of their eyes.
- SCORPIO's upper mouthpiece is not rendered as stiff.. and occasionally you can see it twitch as if it were made out of flesh.
- Viewer Gender Confusion: Treek is female, but some players refer to her as 'him.' Admittedly, Ewoks don't have just a whole lot of distinguishing sexual characteristics, so it can be hard to tell.
- Visual Effects of Awesome: The game's engine doesn't allow for many cinematics, but the Hallucination scene in the Imperial Agent Storyline looks really good.
- Wake-Up Call Boss: For the Jedi Knight, Valis. As long as you've been decently equipped, you can coast through the game up until this point. With this guy, however, you need to learn how to use interrupts for all they're worth or you'll be ragdolled around the room.
- The Woobie:
- Mako. Everybody she knows (BH and crew excluded) seems to get killed. She's emotionally strong enough to avert Break the Cutie, however.. at least until Knights of the Fallen Empire, where your own apparent death leads to her quitting the bounty hunter lifestyle, saying that all it has ever done is take away the people she cares about.
- Senya would also qualify, as she gets brutally separated from her daughter Vaylin by Valkorion after her daughter accidentally killed several guards in a sparring match. When she tried to rescue her she did not want to rescued. When she chose to leave Valkorian, her sons laughed at her and chose to stay. When Arcann and Vaylin took over and became tyrants, one could only imagine the amount of guilt she would have when her children have became monsters. It gets worse when she learned that Thexan was killed by the hands of Arcann.
- Eleena Daru. She was originally a slave in the slave pens on Geonosis serving a master who she had been a slave to until her late teens had heavily abused her until she got rescued by a Sith. But the Sith is Darth Malgus who sincerely loved her, and fought in battles together. But he felt forced to kill her after one of his rivals used her as leverage against him.
- Woobie Species: The Evocii. They've lost their homeworld, Evocar, to the Hutt species and witnessed its transformation from an idyllic, green planet into a Crapsack World ruled by ganglords. They are routinely slaughtered as part of attempts to completely stomp the spirit out of them, and then in one Republic mission on Nar Shaddaa you are required to stop the Imperials from rounding up refugees in their camps and throwing them into an incinerator a la Auschwitz. It's even lampshaded by a pilot close to the spaceport for Republic players, who pities one of the desperate refugees for their species' history of discrimination.
- WTH, Costuming Department?: Sith Inquisitor players frequently hid their helmet slot just because a lot of the helmets for their class are basically putting their head into a hermetically sealed ball with almost no kinds of facial features. One wonders how they (or Darth Baras for that matter) don't suffocate. Kira Carson says it best:Kira Carson: 'Have you seen what those Sith are wearing? It's like every fashion designer in the galaxy joined the dark side.'
- Her comment also points out that, until the Cartel Market arrived, almost all the good-looking outfits were Imperial ones, with Jedi almost invariably being in drab brown robes, Troopers having only variations on knockoff clone/stormtrooper armor, and Smugglers falling victim to Rummage Sale Reject.
- What Measure Is a Non-Human?: Enslaving and killing sapient humanoid species is wrong. Enslaving and killing 'mindless animals' and androids is almost always depicted as okay, even by the staunchest Light Side players.
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- 1Biography
Biography[edit | edit source]
Codex Entry[edit | edit source]
Few beings in the galaxy have seen as many battlefields as Shae Vizla. Her list of victories surpasses even Mandalore himself and the personal fortune she's amassedafter decades as a top-tier mercenary is staggering. The quintessential Mandalorian, Vizla is ruthless in battle, gregarious in close company, and utterly dedicated to perfecting her skills in combat.
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Despite (or perhaps because of) her years of success, Vizla has taken fewer and fewer contracts in recent years. Her clan has largely withdrawn from galactic events, sparking rumors that Vizla has had a falling out with her allies in the Empire, Mandalore, or some other powerful client; others believe shes' simply run out of worth challenges. Whatever the cause, its questionable whether such a renowned gun-for-hire can remain on the sidelines for long.
Likes/Dislikes[edit | edit source]
Gifts[edit | edit source]
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Gifts are items that can be given to companions in order to raise their influence level.
- 1Gift Preferences
Gift Preferences[edit | edit source]
In the following tables, the gift affection gain is from highest to lowest:
- Love
- Favorite
- Like
- Indifferent
If a companion is romanced, affection to types of gifts can change. These changes are noted in ( parentheses ) if applicable.
Republic Companions[edit | edit source]
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Qyzen Fess | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like | Love |
Tharan Cedrax | Like | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent |
Zenith | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Favorite |
Lieutenant Iresso | Indifferent (Love) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like |
Nadia Grell | Like (Love) | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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T7-O1 | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Favorite | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like |
Kira Carsen | Like (Favorite) | Like | Indifferent | Like | Favorite (Love) | Indifferent | Like | Love | Like | Like | Like (Favorite) | Indifferent |
Doc | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Like | Like | Like | Like | Indifferent |
Sergeant Rusk | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Like | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Lord Scourge | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Like | Favorite | Love | Like | Like |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Corso Riggs | Like (Love) | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like (Favorite) | Indifferent | Favorite | Like (Favorite) | Like | Like (Favorite) | Indifferent | Love |
Bowdaar | Like | Favorite | Favorite | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like | Love | Like | Favorite |
Risha | Indifferent (Like) | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Love | Indifferent | Like | Like | Like (Favorite) | Indifferent | Favorite(Love) | Like |
Akaavi Spar | Like (Favorite) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Like | Like | Love | Like | Favorite |
Guss Tuno | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Like | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Like | Like | Love | Indifferent |
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Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Aric Jorgan | Indifferent (Favorite) | Like | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Like | Like | Indifferent | Love |
Elara Dorne | Indifferent (Love) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Favorite | Love | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
M1-4X | Like | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Favorite | Favorite | Love | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Like |
Tanno Vik | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Love | Favorite |
Sergeant Yuun | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Like | Love | Love | Indifferent | Like |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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C2-N2 | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Love | Indifferent | Like | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
HK-51 | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Love | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Treek | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Like |
Empire Companions[edit | edit source]
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Mako | Indifferent (Love) | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Like | Favorite | Like |
Gault | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Favorite | Like |
Torian Cadera | Indifferent (Favorite) | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Love | Like | Favorite |
Blizz | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Favorite | Favorite | Indifferent | Favorite | Favorite | Love | Favorite | Love | Favorite |
Skadge | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Love | Love |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Kaliyo | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Favorite (Love) | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like | Favorite | Love | Favorite |
SCORPIO | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Like | Indifferent | Love | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Vector | Indifferent (Favorite) | Love | Like | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like |
Doctor Lokin | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Love | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent |
Ensign Temple | Like (Love) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Like | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Khem Val | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Andronikos Revel | Indifferent (Like) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like (Love) | Indifferent | Favorite (Love) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent (Like) | Favorite (Love) | Love |
Ashara Zavros | Indifferent (Love) | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent (Like) | Indifferent (Like) | Indifferent | Like (Favorite) | Love | Indifferent (Like) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like (Favorite) |
Talos Drellik | Like | Love | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Xalek | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Love |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Vette | Like (Love) | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Like (Favorite) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Love | Like |
Malavai Quinn | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Jaesa Willsaam (Dark) | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Favorite (Love) | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Love |
Jaesa Willsaam (Light) | Like | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Love | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like |
Lieutenant Pierce | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Like | Like | Favorite | Like | Love |
Broonmark | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Favorite | Favorite | Love | Indifferent | Love |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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2V-R8 | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Like | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
HK-51 | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Love | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Treek | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Like |
Note: Kaliyo and Torian have different gift preferences from their classic Imperial Agent/Bounty Hunter preferences when they are recruited again during Knights of the Fallen Empire. See the table below.
Outlander Companions[edit | edit source]
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Arcann | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Darth Marr | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Like |
Empress Acina | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like |
HK-55 | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Love | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Like |
Kaliyo | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Love | Favorite |
Koth Vortena | Indifferent | Like | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Favorite | Love |
Lana Beniko | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Senya Tirall | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Theron Shan | Indifferent (Love) | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Like | Favorite | Like |
Torian Cadera | Indifferent (Favorite) | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Love | Like | Favorite |
ZO-0M | Like | Like | Love | Indifferent | Like | Favorite | Favorite | Love | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Like |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Ak'ghal Usar | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Yuun | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Choza Rabbat | Indifferent | Favorite | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
“Deadeye” Leyta | Indifferent | Favorite | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like |
Hemdil Tre | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Like | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
K’krohl | Indifferent | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Favorite |
Rokuss | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Favorite | Love | Indifferent | Like |
Veeroa Denz | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Love | Favorite |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Darth Hexid | Indifferent | Love | Favorite | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Gamorrean Guard | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Love | Love |
Master Ranos | Like (Favorite) | Like | Indifferent | Like | Favorite (Love) | Indifferent | Like | Love | Like | Like | Like (Favorite) | Indifferent |
Nico Okarr | Like | Like | Indifferent | Like | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Favorite | Like | Love | Indifferent |
Paxton Rall | Like | Favorite | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Love | Like |
Shae Vizla | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Like | Like | Indifferent | Favorite |
Note: The only Classic Companions that are listed in the above table are those who have differences in gift preference. Others are available to the Outlander - refer to their classic preferences.
Cartel Market Companions[edit | edit source]
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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Akk Dog | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Banshee | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Bogstalker | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Exoboar | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Ginx | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
K'lor'slug Soldier | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Krakjya | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Mawvorr | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Nathema Beast | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Nathema Voreclaw | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Nexu | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Tuk'ata | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Vine Cat | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Wampa | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Companion | Courting | Cultural | Delicacies | Imperial | Luxury | Maintenance | Military | Republic | Technology | Trophy | Underworld | Weapon |
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A7 Surveillance Drone | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Annihilator T4-1D | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
C8-S3C | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
D-R3D | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
H1-K1 | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
H2-WF | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
I-O8 | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
I-O8 | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
ISO-5R | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
K1-Z3N | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
P3-KP | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Personal Warbot | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
Probe Droid | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
QO-77 | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
TY-4N | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent | Love | Indifferent | Indifferent | Like | Indifferent | Indifferent | Indifferent |
List of gifts[edit | edit source]
Courting gifts are given to companions with which a romantic relationship is available. Some companion's affection levels must reach a minimum point before courting gifts will give gains. Giving courting gifts to companions that are not being courted will give no gains.
Name | Level | Cost |
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Gold Necklace | 1 | 250 |
Hand-Carved Voss Courting Jewelry | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Preserved Tarisian Rose | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Hutt Affection Token | 2 | 750 |
Inlaid Corellian Love Stones | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Emotional Unity Focus | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Authentic Tionese Cuisine | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Coin of Good Fortune | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Electrum Commitment Ring | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Formal Clothing | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Tashelin Serenading Droid | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Flawless Adegan Crystal Necklace | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Personalized Holoportrait | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Zeltron Personal Aroma Set | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Gree Temporary Mind-Link Device | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
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Polished Meteorite | 1 | 250 |
Mantellian Puzzle Box | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Gree Personal Journal | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Dubrillion Lizard Egg | 2 | 750 |
Hutt Feast Ingredients | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Relic of a Lost Culture | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Burgan Relic | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Hand-Painted Pazaak Card | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Chronicle of House Panteer's Formation | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Hutt Banner | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Alderaanian Noble Heirloom | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Writings of the First Mystics | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Carved Runestone | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Signet Ring of Ancient Tion | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Memoir of the Unification Wars | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
---|---|---|
Imperial History Holo | 1 | 250 |
Relic of the Sacking of Coruscant | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Ancient Sith Mural | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Imperial Battalion Flag | 2 | 750 |
Declaration of the Emperor's Will | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Archive of Known Sith Bloodlines | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Imperial Military Records | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Imperial Service Medal | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Moff's Signet Ring | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Philosophy of the Sith Code | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Imperial General's Dog Tags | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Decorative Sith Blade | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Sith Opera Collection | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Banned Imperial History Document | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Account of the Discovery of Korriban | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
---|---|---|
Small Gemstone | 1 | 250, crew skill missions |
Fossilized Hutt Gallstone | 1 | Mob drop, crew skill missions |
Killik Silk Linens | 1 | Mob drop, crew skill missions |
Polished Carapace | 2 | 750 |
Comet-Stone Drinking Glass | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Aged Chandrilan Wine | 2 | Mail from (romanced) Doc |
Intricate Holosculpture | 3 | Mob drop, crew skill missions |
Pre-Republic Platinum Coin | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Youth Preservation Treatment | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Tarul Wine | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Exquisite Cooking Spices | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Tionese Hovering Ornament | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Handheld Orrery | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
First Edition Galactic Encyclopedia | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Intricate Corellian Speeder Model | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
---|---|---|
Survival Gear | 1 | 250 |
Advanced Recon Survival Kit | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Fitted All-Weather Bodysuit | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Complete Camping Set | 2 | 750 |
Improvised Demolitions Toolkit | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Hyperwave Motion Detector | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Homing Device | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Personalized Thermosuit | 3 | Crew skill missions |
SpecOps Camouflage Unit | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Armor Maintenance Kit | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Encrypted Transmitter | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Multi-Spectrum Target Analyzer | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Premium Field Rations | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Gourmet Ration Pack | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Omni-Vision Battlefield Relay | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
---|---|---|
Republic History Holo | 1 | 250 |
Memento of the Battle of Alderaan | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Page of Gnost-Dural's Journal | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Republic Planetary Flag | 2 | 750 |
Official Draft of the Treaty of Coruscant | 2 | Crew skill missions |
List of the Republic's Fallen | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Republic Military Records | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Republic Service Medal | 3 | Crew skill missions |
History of the Great Hyperspace War | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Replica of the Galactic Constitution | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Republic War Hero's Dog Tags | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Tython Explorer's Writings | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Canister of Coruscanti Soil | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Republic Senatorial Oath | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Holorecord of the Republic Founding | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
---|---|---|
Holoviewer | 1 | 250 |
Czerka Universal Translator | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Unlimited Access Security Breaker | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Hutt Data Library | 2 | 750 |
Miniature Chemical Disassembler | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Auto-Updating Astrogation Chart | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Droid Diagnostic Kit | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Kal-Reyon Experimental Implant | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Rakata Comprehensive Bioscanner | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Expert Slicer's Spike | 4 | Crew skill missions |
VergeCorps Destablized Power Matrix | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Ancient Droid Memory Core | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Pinpoint Welding Torch | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Aratech Reconstruction Toolkit | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments Crew skill missions |
Vial of Gree Nanite Paste | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
---|---|---|
Vrblther Skull | 1 | 250 |
Assassin Droid Hand | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Killik Hive Queen's Mandible | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Sleen Tail | 2 | 750 |
Pantran Whitefang Hide | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Mutant Rancor Tooth | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Nexu Claw | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Sterilized Rakghoul Claw | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Perfect Krayt Dragon Pearl | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Humanoid Skull | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Greater Cthon Brain | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Sith Lord's Mask | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Wraid Plate | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Galactic Crime Lord's ID Card | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Splinter of a Rakata Stronghold | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
---|---|---|
Underworld Rumor Sheet | 1 | 250 |
Hutt Space Preemptive Criminal Pardon | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Slicer Contact List | 1 | Crew skill missions |
Hutt Hit List | 2 | 750 |
Tibanna Mining Shares | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Experimental SIS Listening Device | 2 | Crew skill missions |
Military Contraband | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Quesh Venom Sample | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Honorary Hutt Cartel Membership | 3 | Crew skill missions |
Incriminating Evidence | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Tionese Privateer Contract | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Droid Override Device | 4 | Crew skill missions |
Fake Identity Documents | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Assassin Droid Target History | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Drayen Hyperspace Smuggling Routes | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
Name | Level | Cost |
---|---|---|
Ammunition Belt | 1 | 250 |
Czerka Blaster Silencer | 1 | ? |
Pre-Republic Slug Thrower | 1 | ? |
Padded Weapon Case | 2 | 750 |
Military Scope Set | 2 | ? |
Taung Crusader's Vibroknife | 2 | ? |
Concealable Vibroknife | 3 | Crew skill missions |
BlasTech Ultralight Trigger | 3 | ? |
Exotic Gree Heat Sink | 3 | ? |
Personal Armory Locker | 4 | ? |
Star Core Overloaded Power Cell | 4 | ? |
Emergency Blaster Detonator | 4 | ? |
High-Resolution Combat Recorder | 5 | 12 Premium Gift Fragments |
Energy Blade Bayonet | 5 | 6 Prototype Gift Fragments |
Unique Rakata Grenade | 5 | 8 Artifact Gift Fragments |
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